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Gen_Rhys_Dallows
Jedi Knight
posted 10-08-13 02:47 PM EDT (US)         
Welp. You know the deal. Pretty much anything Star Wars. The good, bad, and ugly. Mostly bad and ugly, though.





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Farlander
Clone Trooper
posted 02-27-14 04:50 PM EDT (US)     691 / 1655       
I mean, they could have easily turned the American Revolution into a major confrontation between the Assassins and Templars (them taking up arms with the Army of the United Colonies and British Army respectively). Oh well. Too late now.
Respectfully disagree, as fighting on the side of the British crown to keep the Colonies in check is something that would go against the Templar goals and principles (which is why I don't like AC2 and ACB Templars so much as they go against those goals, but then again, in the lore of the game, neither do the other Templars, so that's kinda awesome ). I think you better play the game as character motivation is much better understood that way, I think. (Especially true considering that AC3 story, while I relate to it a lot personally, can be a bit disjointed at times from an overarching plot perspective).

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Flying Ace
Clone Trooper
(id: Lord Vader672)
posted 02-27-14 04:53 PM EDT (US)     692 / 1655       
I don't know. The colonies seemed to want the same kind of freedom that the Assassins are all for. It would make sense for the last thing the Templars want is an entire nation to have views along the lines of their sworn enemies.

EDIT: Also, don't worry. I plan on playing 3 in the future. So who knows, maybe it'll change my mind. But I honestly doubt it. I'd be playing it mostly for Desmond anyway.

What was YOUR ME3 ending: Merge with Helios, Illuminati, or Tracer Tong?
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Farlander
Clone Trooper
posted 02-27-14 05:06 PM EDT (US)     693 / 1655       
I don't know. The colonies seemed to want the same kind of freedom that the Assassins are all for. It would make sense for the last thing the Templars want is an entire nation to have views along the lines of their sworn enemies.
Yeah, they don't but... it's not as simple as that, though. Templars want Peace and Order, and that the corrupt and self-centered fools that lead in crown wouldn't be in charge and muck things up. AC3 kinda really delves into the whole question of freedom, how dangerous it is and is it worth it. And, honestly, the freedom that the colonists want was not really the freedom that the Assassins wanted, as evidenced by how the Colonist freedom has really ****ed things up for Connor.

Going in style of me quoting some things, this is dialogue that sounds during the boss battle, SPOILERS, though I don't think it matters for you since you know the general plotline anyway.

Again, context would be greatly required I think, though should give some general idea.
Haytham: You act as though you have some right to judge. To declare me and mine wrong for the world. And yet everything I've shown you - all I've said and done - should CLEARLY demonstrate otherwise. We did not harm your people. We did not support the Crown. We worked to see this land united and at peace. Under our rule all will be equal. Do the Patriots promise the same?
Connor: They offer freedom.
Haytham: Which I've told you - time and time again - is dangerous! There will never be consensus, son, among those you have helped to ascend. They will all differ in their views of what it means to be free. The peace you so desperately seek does not exist.
Connor: No. Together they will forge something new - better than what came before.
Haytham: These men are united now by a common cause. But when this battle is finished they will fall to fighting amongst themselves about how best to ensure control. In time it will lead to war. You will see.
Connor: The Patriot leaders do not seek control. There will be no monarch here. The people will have the power - as they should.
Haytham: The people never have the power. Only the illusion of it. And here’s the real secret: they don’t want it. The responsibility is too great to bear. It’s why they’re so quick to fall in line as soon as someone takes charge. They WANT to be told what to do. They YEARN for it. Little wonder, that, since all mankind was BUILT to SERVE.
Connor: So because we are inclined by nature to be controlled, who better than the Templars? It is a poor offer.
Haytham: It is truth! Principle and practice are two very different beasts.
Connor: No, father... You have given up - and would have us all do the same.
Basically, the principles that the British government goes for and the Templars go for are very different, which is why I don't think it would be a great choice for the Templars to represent just that one side. They really in none of the games are ever on the side of the country they 'belong to', so to speak.

Templars of the colonies wanted independence from the crown as it would allow them to build their Order (in a sense of 'peace and order', not Templar Order) the way they see fit and best for all, they don't need the British there. And they also didn't want a war, it's something that actually the Assassins' actions have caused in this case. But in the end they went along with it since it would lead to independence at least (and it's not like it's easy to stop wheels of war in full motion).

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Flying Ace
Clone Trooper
(id: Lord Vader672)
posted 02-27-14 05:29 PM EDT (US)     694 / 1655       
Yes, and while I admit, the Templars from 2 through Rev weren't much like the Templars in 1, those three games showed that Templars were more than willing to take control of a country via subterfuge.

Also, I'm not trying to say the current story in AC3 isn't what it's shown to be, I'm saying it could have (and in my opinion should have) been a little different. Templars basically controlling England (they basically controlled Italy for a time) and wanting to keep Assassin-like vision from spreading. Especially, as I said, from taking form in an entire nation. They had an opportunity to act out a scene from the the Templar/Assassin war on a (somewhat) large scale. I say somewhat because the armies wouldn't be strictly Templar and Assassin obviously.

EDIT: Also, I can't help but notice how we've derailed the thread into an Assassin's Creed discussion

What was YOUR ME3 ending: Merge with Helios, Illuminati, or Tracer Tong?
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Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 02-27-14 05:30 PM EDT (US)     695 / 1655       
Zeratul is best templar.

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Flying Ace
Clone Trooper
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posted 02-27-14 05:31 PM EDT (US)     696 / 1655       
Fenix all the way, bitch

What was YOUR ME3 ending: Merge with Helios, Illuminati, or Tracer Tong?
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Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 02-27-14 05:32 PM EDT (US)     697 / 1655       
But he's not a templar.

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Farlander
Clone Trooper
posted 02-27-14 05:38 PM EDT (US)     698 / 1655       
Yes, and while I admit, the Templars from 2 through Rev weren't much like the Templars in 1
I would say the Templars of Rev are like halfway between AC1/3 and AC2/ACB Templars, so in my book they're not that bad.
those three games showed that Templars were more than willing to take control of a country via subterfuge.
Well, they kinda always do that, ever since AC1 (that's why it's a secret conspiracy after all! ) It's just that AC2/ACB seek power for the sake of power rather than for the greater good.
wanting to keep Assassin-like vision from spreading.
Yeah, but the vision of the colonists is not Assassin-like. Ultimately they're the same as the British, really. The Assassin freedom is to everybody eventually become wise enough to not do any of the crap that happens in the world and build a better peaceful future, the colonist freedom is to not pay taxes and own land and shit And also keep slaves.
EDIT: Also, I can't help but notice how we've derailed the thread into an Assassin's Creed discussion
Wohoo! I mean, come on, threads have been derailed into ME discussions so often, there HAVE to be at least SOME AC derails
Flying Ace
Clone Trooper
(id: Lord Vader672)
posted 02-27-14 05:44 PM EDT (US)     699 / 1655       
threads have been derailed into ME discussions so often, there HAVE to be at least SOME AC derails
Hey, I'm not complaining
Yeah, but the vision of the colonists is not Assassin-like. Ultimately they're the same as the British, really. The Assassin freedom is to everybody eventually become wise enough to not do any of the crap that happens in the world and build a better peaceful future, the colonist freedom is to not pay taxes and own land and shit
This is true, however we're talking about a series that has taken artistic license with history in six games now

Technically more, but the only side games I can remember are Bloodlines and Liberation.

What was YOUR ME3 ending: Merge with Helios, Illuminati, or Tracer Tong?
"I feel like I just watched Dwayne Johnson beat a small disabled child. Except the disabled child is really an infant clone of Hitler. It's so painful to watch...but so glorious." - Cheapy
"The Rebels only have one rank: traitor." - Eothain
Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 02-27-14 05:44 PM EDT (US)     700 / 1655       
Wohoo! I mean, come on, threads have been derailed into ME discussions so often, there HAVE to be at least SOME AC derails
One problem with that theory.

ME

Also, your benevolent moderator, lord, and master. He's never played the AC games. <_<

And has no intentions of starting. >_>



But you caught the Lord thy Moff on an extra-benevolent evening. So no permabans tonight.

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Farlander
Clone Trooper
posted 02-27-14 05:49 PM EDT (US)     701 / 1655       
This is true, however we're talking about a series that has taken artistic license with history in six games now
Yeah, but... didn't colonists historically wanted to be free from the British to not pay taxes and own land and shit?
And has no intentions of starting. >_>
Seriously, discussions about freedom and control and truth and whatnot, and you're not even interested? Or is it the taxes that put you off? Don't worry, it's not like SW, the central plot doesn't revolve around taxes even when history does
Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 02-27-14 05:53 PM EDT (US)     702 / 1655       
I'm not a very good gamer. Just ask FA, who I constantly implore for advice on my Insanity run for ME2. And AC looks like it requires some skill.

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Flying Ace
Clone Trooper
(id: Lord Vader672)
posted 02-27-14 05:53 PM EDT (US)     703 / 1655       
Yeah, but... didn't colonists historically wanted to be free from the British to not pay taxes and own land and shit?
You forgot to mention the desire to NOT have homes entered without warrant, citizens arrested without charge, and religious freedom and what not

EDIT:
AC looks like it requires some skill.
Eh. Not really. I've taken down entire city guards without much trouble

What was YOUR ME3 ending: Merge with Helios, Illuminati, or Tracer Tong?
"I feel like I just watched Dwayne Johnson beat a small disabled child. Except the disabled child is really an infant clone of Hitler. It's so painful to watch...but so glorious." - Cheapy
"The Rebels only have one rank: traitor." - Eothain

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Farlander
Clone Trooper
posted 02-27-14 06:19 PM EDT (US)     704 / 1655       
You forgot to mention the desire to NOT have homes entered without warrant, citizens arrested without charge, and religious freedom and what not
That just stuff that helps people get in charge when they don't want to pay taxes
And AC looks like it requires some skill.
In principle, yes. However, just for people like you, AC mechanics have got flaws in them (and in case of ACB/ACR whole essentially cheat buttons, that being the brotherhood mechanic, and super-duper kill-streaks) that pave ways for some dominant strategies that make things a lot easier

But Ubi said that they really want to focus on that, so maybe soon instead of 'fix this something else breaks' we will get at least relatively non-flawed design, and THEN you'll be in trouble

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Flying Ace
Clone Trooper
(id: Lord Vader672)
posted 02-27-14 06:25 PM EDT (US)     705 / 1655       
Really, the only times I had my brotherhood jump in to a fight was the challenges and when I was running away from a really persistent group of guards...and Ezio wasn't doing what I intended him to.

I hate how at just the slightest twitch of the thumbstick and you try to run up a wall...
However, just for people like you, AC mechanics have got flaws in them (and in case of ACB/ACR whole essentially cheat buttons, that being the brotherhood mechanic, and super-duper kill-streaks) that pave ways for some dominant strategies that make things a lot easier
To make things more interesting, I like to use my hidden blades in fights

What was YOUR ME3 ending: Merge with Helios, Illuminati, or Tracer Tong?
"I feel like I just watched Dwayne Johnson beat a small disabled child. Except the disabled child is really an infant clone of Hitler. It's so painful to watch...but so glorious." - Cheapy
"The Rebels only have one rank: traitor." - Eothain

[This message has been edited by Flying Ace (edited 02-27-2014 @ 06:26 PM).]

Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 02-27-14 08:21 PM EDT (US)     706 / 1655       
Omniblade is best hidden blade.

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Flying Ace
Clone Trooper
(id: Lord Vader672)
posted 02-27-14 08:29 PM EDT (US)     707 / 1655       
Hidden until it takes the five seconds to fire up

What was YOUR ME3 ending: Merge with Helios, Illuminati, or Tracer Tong?
"I feel like I just watched Dwayne Johnson beat a small disabled child. Except the disabled child is really an infant clone of Hitler. It's so painful to watch...but so glorious." - Cheapy
"The Rebels only have one rank: traitor." - Eothain
Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 02-27-14 08:54 PM EDT (US)     708 / 1655       
Like Obi-Wan's ten-second long gentle ascent over Darth Maul in TPM? At least the novel mentions it actually happens in a fraction of a second.

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Farlander
Clone Trooper
posted 02-28-14 01:50 AM EDT (US)     709 / 1655       
You don't get it, that part was in slow motion so slow that it felt real-time
Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 02-28-14 07:41 AM EDT (US)     710 / 1655       
Oh my God. Aaron Allston died.

http://www.theforce.net/story/front/Author_Aaron_Allston_Has_Passed_Away_156868.asp

Only 53.

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Flying Ace
Clone Trooper
(id: Lord Vader672)
posted 03-01-14 01:23 AM EDT (US)     711 / 1655       
Well damn

What was YOUR ME3 ending: Merge with Helios, Illuminati, or Tracer Tong?
"I feel like I just watched Dwayne Johnson beat a small disabled child. Except the disabled child is really an infant clone of Hitler. It's so painful to watch...but so glorious." - Cheapy
"The Rebels only have one rank: traitor." - Eothain
Farlander
Clone Trooper
posted 03-02-14 10:00 AM EDT (US)     712 / 1655       


Also tackles the issue of Obi-Wan's jump
Farlander
Clone Trooper
posted 03-02-14 10:08 AM EDT (US)     713 / 1655       
Does anybody else started getting white boxes instead of videos on this forum?
Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 03-02-14 10:11 AM EDT (US)     714 / 1655       
Cartoon Padme is a far better actress than Portman.

And no. Are you using Chrome?

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[This message has been edited by Moff (edited 03-02-2014 @ 10:12 AM).]

Farlander
Clone Trooper
posted 03-02-14 10:13 AM EDT (US)     715 / 1655       
Yeah. Didn't have any problems until right about now.
Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 03-02-14 10:34 AM EDT (US)     716 / 1655       
Heard about something similar at AoKH. It's a Chrome thing. Use Firefox.

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Emissary of the Prophets
Clone Trooper
(id: Admiral Zaarin)
posted 03-02-14 11:49 AM EDT (US)     717 / 1655       
Cartoon Padme is a far better actress than Portman.
Of course she is. She's Grey DeLisle.

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Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 03-02-14 11:55 AM EDT (US)     718 / 1655       
I meant in that video, not Senator Hooves.

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[This message has been edited by Moff (edited 03-02-2014 @ 11:56 AM).]

Emissary of the Prophets
Clone Trooper
(id: Admiral Zaarin)
posted 03-02-14 12:00 PM EDT (US)     719 / 1655       
Oh. Yes, HISHE has good actors, too. I died laughing at their rendition of Desolation of Smaug--mostly because it pointed out everything I hated most about the movie.

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Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 03-02-14 12:13 PM EDT (US)     720 / 1655       
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkiaJxa0UCg
...The post-credit part made me hurt myself trying to stifle a laugh.

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