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Gen_Rhys_Dallows
Jedi Knight
posted 10-08-13 02:47 PM EDT (US)         
Welp. You know the deal. Pretty much anything Star Wars. The good, bad, and ugly. Mostly bad and ugly, though.





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Emissary of the Prophets
Clone Trooper
(id: Admiral Zaarin)
posted 09-02-15 07:43 PM EDT (US)     1201 / 1655       
Crap, so there are already "humans-with-makeup" Turians in Star Wars? There goes the lightsaber tango. We can still have the waltz or ballet, though.

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Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 09-02-15 07:50 PM EDT (US)     1202 / 1655       
Not only that, but they have EQG Twilight to help them.

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Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 09-03-15 06:43 AM EDT (US)     1203 / 1655       
Hmm.


Is this what we truly fear?

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Emissary of the Prophets
Clone Trooper
(id: Admiral Zaarin)
posted 09-03-15 12:05 PM EDT (US)     1204 / 1655       
This best sums up my fear of liking the new Star Wars movie.


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Gen_Rhys_Dallows
Jedi Knight
posted 09-03-15 12:28 PM EDT (US)     1205 / 1655       
I think going in with some pre-established determination to hate it is just as stupid as expecting to unquestionably love it.

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Emissary of the Prophets
Clone Trooper
(id: Admiral Zaarin)
posted 09-03-15 12:40 PM EDT (US)     1206 / 1655       
To be honest, I'm going in with the same attitude I had towards The Battle of Five Armies. By expecting it to be awful, I won't be disappointed if it is and I'll be pleasantly surprised intheunlikelyevent if it's not. To be honest, between the general quality of Star Wars over the last twenty years and JJTrek, I really don't see anything to elevate my expectations.

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jssf1992
Clone Trooper
posted 09-03-15 01:09 PM EDT (US)     1207 / 1655       
I'm still in the "wait and see" mode. Is that a difficult stance to keep?

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Emissary of the Prophets
Clone Trooper
(id: Admiral Zaarin)
posted 09-03-15 06:59 PM EDT (US)     1208 / 1655       
Apathy isn't generally difficult.

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Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 09-03-15 07:12 PM EDT (US)     1209 / 1655       
So... look. All doom and gloom aside, we at least know the movie will be competently shot, the performances will be well-directed (so any acting issues will be on the actor), and it should at least be fun. Instead of "I must be frank, Your Majesty. The Senate..."

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"Moff's anime diatribes/photos are infinitely less annoying than legion's communism, so I don't complain." - Azzie, proving that cute girls driving tanks >> Left-wing ideology
Flying Ace
Clone Trooper
(id: Lord Vader672)
posted 09-03-15 07:14 PM EDT (US)     1210 / 1655       
Apathy isn't generally difficult.
Apathy is death!

What was YOUR ME3 ending: Merge with Helios, Illuminati, or Tracer Tong?
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Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 09-03-15 07:22 PM EDT (US)     1211 / 1655       
Apathy is death. So is bad design.

https://www.facebook.com/the.geeky.couple/videos/977726508958646/?fref=nf

Then again... they should have told him to magic space wizard-proof it. <_<

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"Moff's anime diatribes/photos are infinitely less annoying than legion's communism, so I don't complain." - Azzie, proving that cute girls driving tanks >> Left-wing ideology
Emissary of the Prophets
Clone Trooper
(id: Admiral Zaarin)
posted 09-03-15 07:42 PM EDT (US)     1212 / 1655       
So... look. All doom and gloom aside, we at least know the movie will be competently shot, the performances will be well-directed (so any acting issues will be on the actor), and it should at least be fun. Instead of "I must be frank, Your Majesty. The Senate..."
+9999999 Also, every lightsaber clash will be accompanied by a lens flare. >_>

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What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?

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Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 09-03-15 08:04 PM EDT (US)     1213 / 1655       
I think people have harped on that so much that Abrams is going to DELETE lens flares from where they'd make sense. There will be none at all.

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"Moff's anime diatribes/photos are infinitely less annoying than legion's communism, so I don't complain." - Azzie, proving that cute girls driving tanks >> Left-wing ideology
John the Late
Jedi Padawan
posted 09-03-15 09:13 PM EDT (US)     1214 / 1655       
Apathy is death. So is bad design.

https://www.facebook.com/the.geeky.couple/videos/977726508958646/?fref=nf

Then again... they should have told him to magic space wizard-proof it. <_<
He has a point.
jssf1992
Clone Trooper
posted 09-04-15 02:25 PM EDT (US)     1215 / 1655       
Apathy isn't generally difficult.
Eh, I don't think apathy would be right . . . apathy (at least to me) would be not caring enough to bother seeing/attempting something. Actively not judging until I see it is closer to what I mean.

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Emissary of the Prophets
Clone Trooper
(id: Admiral Zaarin)
posted 09-04-15 04:13 PM EDT (US)     1216 / 1655       
That would be a difficult stance for me to keep up, but I'm a cynical misanthrope.

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What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?

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Flying Ace
Clone Trooper
(id: Lord Vader672)
posted 09-04-15 07:24 PM EDT (US)     1217 / 1655       
...APATHY IS DEATH!


What was YOUR ME3 ending: Merge with Helios, Illuminati, or Tracer Tong?
"I feel like I just watched Dwayne Johnson beat a small disabled child. Except the disabled child is really an infant clone of Hitler. It's so painful to watch...but so glorious." - Cheapy
"The Rebels only have one rank: traitor." - Eothain
Emissary of the Prophets
Clone Trooper
(id: Admiral Zaarin)
posted 09-04-15 09:28 PM EDT (US)     1218 / 1655       
Except that he's too awesome for it, Marc Alaimo would make an excellent Sith lord...

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"But if of ships I now should sing, what ship would come to me,
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?

"Most forums derails into talking about memes. Here we derail into in-depth discussions about art. I like ours better."--jssf1992
Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 09-04-15 10:27 PM EDT (US)     1219 / 1655       
Ron Moore should write a Star Wars film.

...Then again, he'll break the orthodoxy even harder than KotOR2.

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John the Late
Jedi Padawan
posted 09-05-15 00:40 AM EDT (US)     1220 / 1655       
"The disciple sounds like a creepy zombie, but that's a good thing because that means he is dead. =D"

I could never stand him, +1
...Then again, he'll break the orthodoxy even harder than KotOR2.
he'll break the orthodoxy
the orthodoxy
the orthodoxy
Oh no now I had to remember THIS.
Emissary of the Prophets
Clone Trooper
(id: Admiral Zaarin)
posted 09-05-15 02:09 PM EDT (US)     1221 / 1655       
Ron Moore should write a Star Wars film.

...Then again, he'll break the orthodoxy even harder than KotOR2.
And someone will inevitably say: "The line must be drawn here! This far and no further!"
I could never stand him, +1
He became more tolerable to me when I realized he's Knight-Commander Cullen, but he's still the most boring character ever, even making T3 look interesting.

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"But if of ships I now should sing, what ship would come to me,
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?

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Gorog
Clone Trooper
(id: Bando_Gora1138)
posted 09-08-15 00:02 AM EDT (US)     1222 / 1655       
Read Aftermath this weekend so you wouldn't have to. Thoughts below.

(Courtesy spoiler filter)

Found it mediocre, but entertaining. Definitely not the worst Star Wars fiction I've read, but not the best. The novel sheds some light on the post-RotJ state of the galaxy, but most of the action is (regrettably) centered on the Outer Rim world of Akiva. Some attempt at worldbuilding is done here, but I wonder how much stronger the novel could have been had the author chosen a previously established planet as the setting - one of my biggest gripes with Star Wars writing is the lack of any real character to the settings they take place in, especially places we never see in the movies.

I think it would be unrealistic to use this as a gauge for the movie, given that I doubt JJ Abrams and Lawrence Kasdan had much input on a novel from a fairly unknown author that most theater-goers probably aren't going to buy.

Some notes:

*There is a New Republic established after Endor. Mon Mothma is its Chancellor, and several of the novels interludes show that the new galactic Senate will convene on Chandrila, the new capital. Here Chandrila is described as something of a quiet world, removed from the fighting - not sure if this was the case in the old EU, or if it was just quiet for Core Worlds. The New Republic forces have made deals with governors and sector heads (it isn't mentioned if these are moffs or the local goverments) with offers to join them and turn over Imperial ships and weapons.

*The Empire is losing ground, but clamping down as much as it can in order to stop the spread of Republic propaganda. The official line is that the Rebel victory at Endor is a lie, and several mentions are made to the use of body doubles to show the public that the Emperor lives. As the Empire loses ground, it reinforces smaller garrisons on backwater planets like Akiva in order to mitigate its losses. In spite of this, there appears to be no chain of command set up in the wake of Endor, which is central to the plot of the book, as several leading Imperials (a Moff, one of Palpatine's old advisers with a Sith obsession, an old general, a banker/slaver and an admiral) all meet on Akiva to decide the Empire's future.

*As I mentioned before, Coruscant seems to be in a disputed state, with rebel forces mentioned as having taken control of a few districts but the Empire still having a strong hold on the city center. This seems a bit hard to believe (how can the New Republic get past Coruscant defenses to reinforce their troops) and in my opinion the novel should've elaborated more on the state of things on Coruscant, but I suppose a real world analogy would be Damascus right now during the Syrian civil war.
*Mon Mothma's character has been softened the most in the new canon - she insists on a military drawdown of 90% once the war has been deemed sufficiently won (paraphrasing here, but basically what she tells an advisor), with the remaining 10% going to training local militaries to do their own fighting. To give the author some credit, an adviser protests as any rational person would that this would leave the New Republic weak, but this seems like a lazy attempt at setup for the state of the galaxy in TFA.

*At the end of the novel, we're shown that the Akiva meeting was all the plot of a thought-dead Imperial fleet admiral, who wanted to get rid of his competition and those he thought had led the Empire to its doom. Some people think this might be Thrawn, but after reading, I think blue skin and red eyes would be a pretty glaring omission, so I'm opting to think that this is a new villain introduced for the novel's sequels.

*There's also (IMO) a fair amount of fanservice and pandering in the novel. A Zabrak bounty hunter who plays a pretty important role is mentioned as having an "Aunt Sugi" who I believe was a character in the TCW cartoon. The inclusion of gay characters in a Star Wars novel seemed fairly progressive to me at first (one of the novel's main characters is revealed to be gay about 2/3 of the way into the book - again, to give the author some credit, him being gay doesn't change much about his character), but there were some moments that seemed like the author was trying too hard. For example, an orphaned boy from Coruscant at one point remembers his two fathers being killed by stormtroopers during the post-Endor riots. It doesn't really bother me, it just seemed like the author could've just had the boy remembering his two parents and still got his point across.

*The Empire in the new canon seems a lot more open to female officers, as there are a female admiral and a female general in this book.

*All in all, entertaining, but probably not a book to buy if you have any expectations going in. I did feel like there was a bit of the bait-and-switch that went on, with all the talk of the Empire not being really finished after Endor before this novel came out, only for the novel to show that the Empire has probably lost more now than in the original EU.

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Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 09-08-15 06:14 PM EDT (US)     1223 / 1655       

So wrong... but so right.

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John the Late
Jedi Padawan
posted 09-09-15 06:46 AM EDT (US)     1224 / 1655       
Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 09-13-15 11:05 AM EDT (US)     1225 / 1655       
It is good to see they're dialing back the whole "he-man woman-haters" side of the Empire. It makes it too anachronistic; it'd be like them making a remark to Lando or old clones about not having Nordic complexions.

You can still keep the alien-hating. Also, according to the author of the book, the Empire--despite apparently having numerous LGBT personnel, including a moff--has some degree of discrimination against them. Which... we didn't have before, but that's because Lucas actually decreed that, like Iran, gay people just don't exist in the Star Wars universe.

However, I have doubts about the current stable of writers being able to handle the subject well.

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Lord Sipia: "THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SIPPY IS EXCLUDED! EVERYBODY LOSES THEIR SANITY" | Also Lord Sipia: "...Of course. Prepare the butter."
"Moff's anime diatribes/photos are infinitely less annoying than legion's communism, so I don't complain." - Azzie, proving that cute girls driving tanks >> Left-wing ideology
Emissary of the Prophets
Clone Trooper
(id: Admiral Zaarin)
posted 09-13-15 11:43 AM EDT (US)     1226 / 1655       
I have doubts about the current stable of writers being able to handle the any subject well.
Fixed that for you.

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"But if of ships I now should sing, what ship would come to me,
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?

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Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 09-14-15 01:17 PM EDT (US)     1227 / 1655       
Come, come. I'm sure they can do laser-beam fights. <_<

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Lord Sipia: "THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SIPPY IS EXCLUDED! EVERYBODY LOSES THEIR SANITY" | Also Lord Sipia: "...Of course. Prepare the butter."
"Moff's anime diatribes/photos are infinitely less annoying than legion's communism, so I don't complain." - Azzie, proving that cute girls driving tanks >> Left-wing ideology
Emissary of the Prophets
Clone Trooper
(id: Admiral Zaarin)
posted 09-14-15 01:48 PM EDT (US)     1228 / 1655       
Perhaps, but I've never been a fan of shiny action sequences that do nothing to either advance plot or develop character, and I'm highly skeptical of Star Wars writers' ability to even have a plot or more-than-one-dimensional character.

Zaarin | Creator of Coruscant Life SE
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"But if of ships I now should sing, what ship would come to me,
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?

"Most forums derails into talking about memes. Here we derail into in-depth discussions about art. I like ours better."--jssf1992

[This message has been edited by Zaarin (edited 09-14-2015 @ 01:48 PM).]

Uchuu Senkan Yamoffo
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 09-14-15 02:01 PM EDT (US)     1229 / 1655       
They can do one-and-a-half!

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Lord Sipia: "THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SIPPY IS EXCLUDED! EVERYBODY LOSES THEIR SANITY" | Also Lord Sipia: "...Of course. Prepare the butter."
"Moff's anime diatribes/photos are infinitely less annoying than legion's communism, so I don't complain." - Azzie, proving that cute girls driving tanks >> Left-wing ideology
Emissary of the Prophets
Clone Trooper
(id: Admiral Zaarin)
posted 09-14-15 02:06 PM EDT (US)     1230 / 1655       
Ensign Ricky has more depth than the main cast of the average Star Wars story.

Zaarin | Creator of Coruscant Life SE
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"But if of ships I now should sing, what ship would come to me,
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?

"Most forums derails into talking about memes. Here we derail into in-depth discussions about art. I like ours better."--jssf1992
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