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Empire of Darkness
Clone Trooper
(id: Imperial Force)
posted 05-20-13 09:43 AM EDT (US)         
Star Wars Rebels

Interesting turn of events, and quite frankly, I'm glad to see Filoni involved.

Perhaps an older Ahsoka Tano will appear in this series.

I personally hope they try to take a more series tone with the series, but some how the doubt of that eats away more than the Jar Jar Binks episodes of Clone Wars ever could. The Disney ownership is giving us new movies, the partnership with EA will give us new games; the next couple of years will determine whether or not we actually wanted any of it.

Whoa.

[This message has been edited by Empire of Darkness (edited 05-20-2013 @ 09:46 AM).]

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Flying Ace
Clone Trooper
(id: Lord Vader672)
posted 05-20-13 05:49 PM EDT (US)     31 / 1043       
I'm just gonna pick and choose my own canon, and make it work

And I like Thrawn. However, I haven't read the most recent novels he's been in. I still love the Thrawn Trilogy though

What was YOUR ME3 ending: Merge with Helios, Illuminati, or Tracer Tong?
"I feel like I just watched Dwayne Johnson beat a small disabled child. Except the disabled child is really an infant clone of Hitler. It's so painful to watch...but so glorious." - Cheapy
"The Rebels only have one rank: traitor." - Eothain

[This message has been edited by Flying Ace (edited 05-20-2013 @ 05:50 PM).]

Sevsherer
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posted 05-20-13 05:54 PM EDT (US)     32 / 1043       
I'm just gonna pick and choose my own canon, and make it work
Pretty sure that is Lucas' approach to it too...
Emissary of the Prophets
Clone Trooper
(id: Admiral Zaarin)
posted 05-20-13 05:56 PM EDT (US)     33 / 1043       
I just pretend the most recent Zahn books didn't happen, so Mara is still awesome.

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Moff
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posted 05-20-13 07:03 PM EDT (US)     34 / 1043       
Meh. No SW production can hold up to Into Darkness IMO. <_<

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Cheapy the Hutt
Clone Trooper
posted 05-20-13 07:12 PM EDT (US)     35 / 1043       
Meh. No SW production can hold up to Into Darkness IMO. <_<
Really? I mean it was an entertaining movie and all, but I wouldn't put it above, say, Empire or the Thrawn trilogy in terms of writing.

Kousoku Senkan Moffgou
Moff
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posted 05-20-13 07:19 PM EDT (US)     36 / 1043       
Writing, no. Entertainment... perhaps. Also, Imperial uniforms in both, so...

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Emissary of the Prophets
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posted 05-20-13 08:04 PM EDT (US)     37 / 1043       
Really? I mean it was an entertaining movie and all, but I wouldn't put it above, say, Empire or the Thrawn trilogy in terms of writing.
I'd say Into Darkness was mildly above Empire and light-years above the Thrawn trilogy. Zahn...does not improve with age. Or close inspection.

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Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 05-20-13 08:24 PM EDT (US)     38 / 1043       
Well, you heard it from the English major's mouth.

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Crazed Ewok
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posted 05-20-13 08:33 PM EDT (US)     39 / 1043       
I entirely agree. Zahn was my favorite author... back before I read good books.

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Emissary of the Prophets
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posted 05-20-13 08:36 PM EDT (US)     40 / 1043       
I entirely agree. Zahn was my favorite author... back before I read good books.
Exactly.

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Moff
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posted 05-20-13 08:39 PM EDT (US)     41 / 1043       
I entirely agree. Zahn was my favorite author... back before I read good books.
Thirded. <_<

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Sevsherer
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posted 05-20-13 08:47 PM EDT (US)     42 / 1043       
I've always classified SW books as their own genre, essentially I stack them up against each other. In which case, Zahn is somewhere in the middle of the pack.
Cheapy the Hutt
Clone Trooper
posted 05-20-13 08:52 PM EDT (US)     43 / 1043       
I'd say Into Darkness was mildly above Empire and light-years above the Thrawn trilogy. Zahn...does not improve with age. Or close inspection.
The same can be said about Into Darkness.

Flying Ace
Clone Trooper
(id: Lord Vader672)
posted 05-20-13 08:55 PM EDT (US)     44 / 1043       
Pretty sure that is Lucas' approach to it too...
No. He makes new canon and doesn't care if it works with the old.
I entirely agree. Zahn was my favorite author... back before I read good books.
While, again, I haven't read his most recent stuff, but I consider the Thrawn Trilogy to BE good books >_>

What was YOUR ME3 ending: Merge with Helios, Illuminati, or Tracer Tong?
"I feel like I just watched Dwayne Johnson beat a small disabled child. Except the disabled child is really an infant clone of Hitler. It's so painful to watch...but so glorious." - Cheapy
"The Rebels only have one rank: traitor." - Eothain
Kousoku Senkan Moffgou
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 05-20-13 08:59 PM EDT (US)     45 / 1043       
While, again, I haven't read his most recent stuff, but I consider the Thrawn Trilogy to BE good books >_>
Then I suggest some Heinlein. Asimov. Herbert. Weber. Flint. Filatov.

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Emissary of the Prophets
Clone Trooper
(id: Admiral Zaarin)
posted 05-20-13 09:03 PM EDT (US)     46 / 1043       
I've always classified SW books as their own genre, essentially I stack them up against each other. In which case, Zahn is somewhere in the middle of the pack.
Well, under that classification, I am fully prepared to offer Mr. Zahn a laurel crown. But comparing him with non-Star Wars authors puts him at a terrible disadvantage.
While, again, I haven't read his most recent stuff, but I consider the Thrawn Trilogy to BE good books >_>
Then...you really need to read better books. Might I recommend Jane Austen? Henry James? Edith Wharton? F. Scott Fitzgerald? J.R.R. Tolkien? Want something older? Sir Gawain and the Green Knight? Mallory's Morte Darthur? Newer, you say? Sue Harrison? That's about the extent of my knowledge of contemporary authors, I'm afraid.

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Flying Ace
Clone Trooper
(id: Lord Vader672)
posted 05-20-13 09:04 PM EDT (US)     47 / 1043       
All I said was I consider the Thrawn Trilogy good. What the hell?

What was YOUR ME3 ending: Merge with Helios, Illuminati, or Tracer Tong?
"I feel like I just watched Dwayne Johnson beat a small disabled child. Except the disabled child is really an infant clone of Hitler. It's so painful to watch...but so glorious." - Cheapy
"The Rebels only have one rank: traitor." - Eothain
Kousoku Senkan Moffgou
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 05-20-13 09:06 PM EDT (US)     48 / 1043       
Don't read Zaarin's stuffed shirt stuff. Mine at least has spaceships and robots and alien women curious about this emotion we call love.

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Emissary of the Prophets
Clone Trooper
(id: Admiral Zaarin)
posted 05-20-13 09:09 PM EDT (US)     49 / 1043       
All I said was I consider the Thrawn Trilogy good.
If you had said, fair-to-middling it would be less controversial.
Don't read Zaarin's stuffed shirt stuff.
But it improves your mind and allows you to think about universal themes--and write really cool papers! Oh, and if you read Jane Austen, it allows you to laugh endlessly at her sharp wit! And no one disses Sir Gawain because it is awesome (Pearl is also wonderful, but not quite as exciting).

Also, Sue Harrison isn't stuffy. It has sex in it...

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Kousoku Senkan Moffgou
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 05-20-13 09:13 PM EDT (US)     50 / 1043       
The phrase "improve the mind" immediately makes me think of the Donald Duck propaganda cartoon "Der Fuehrer's Face," wherein a Nazi soldier thrusts a copy of Mein Kampf into Donald's face at the end of a bayonet, with the command, "Here! Impwoof ze mind!"

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Flying Ace
Clone Trooper
(id: Lord Vader672)
posted 05-20-13 09:21 PM EDT (US)     51 / 1043       
@ Cheapy: Loved the link.

@ Zaarin: I'd rather read the Thrawn Trilogy then a series about how some dumb broad who failed at leading what remained of the Empire (who ADMITTED she can't lead) becomes the new galactic leader...AND STILL CAN'T LEAD!

Or I could read about how Anakin Skywalker destroys a Separatist capitol ship by taking out the bridge in his FIGHTER.

I could site more, but I don't want this to sound like I'm trying to pick a fight with you. In short, I'd rather read the Thrawn Trilogy than any of the other SW books that were written. And I don't understand the listing of the classics. Obviously the TT wouldn't measure up to them. Never said they would. I just called them good. So I'm kinda confused there

What was YOUR ME3 ending: Merge with Helios, Illuminati, or Tracer Tong?
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"The Rebels only have one rank: traitor." - Eothain
Kousoku Senkan Moffgou
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 05-20-13 09:42 PM EDT (US)     52 / 1043       
I'd rather read the Thrawn Trilogy then a series about how some dumb broad who failed at leading what remained of the Empire (who ADMITTED she can't lead) becomes the new galactic leader...AND STILL CAN'T LEAD!
Well, that's just moronic and honestly, they even managed to f**k up the only reason to set her in power: create another dictator for the big damn heroes to cast down and kill off. Because they couldn't manage it THIRTY YEARS BEFORE.
Or I could read about how Anakin Skywalker destroys a Separatist capitol ship by taking out the bridge in his FIGHTER.
We're expected to believe Han Solo dropped an Executor class ship with a freighter... a year before the Battle of Sluis Van where it was stated the Falcon's weapons could not worry a captured Nebulon-B frigate with no shields.

At least Anakin has lots of Forciness or something.
In short, I'd rather read the Thrawn Trilogy than any of the other SW books that were written.
I've read non-SW books that were better SW books than SW books.

...Kinda like how Abrams' first Star Trek is a way better SW movie than anything personally helmed by George Lucas.

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Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 05-20-13 09:50 PM EDT (US)     53 / 1043       
Bloody hell. I can't believe this didn't click earlier:

THE WHOLE THING IS AN EXCUSE FOR A CARTOON STARRING RAPA-NUI DARTH VADER

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[This message has been edited by Moff (edited 05-20-2013 @ 09:51 PM).]

Emissary of the Prophets
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posted 05-20-13 09:54 PM EDT (US)     54 / 1043       
In short, I'd rather read the Thrawn Trilogy than any of the other SW books that were written.
Well, sure, that's a given. But Cray, Moff, and I all stated we'd stopped thinking highly of him after reading good books--and you asserted that his works are good. So yes, in the realm of Star Wars...um, "literature" for a lack of better term, yes, he's good. But compare him with non-SW authors and his perceived quality plummets drastically. I stopped reading Star Wars after being disappointed by Allegiance. :/

Right now I'm reading The Portrait of a Lady by Henry James! James isn't my absolute favorite author, but I feel there's a lot I can learn from him, so I'm reading him. Honestly, I prefer Edith Wharton, though many feel that James eclipses her. The Custom of the Country is absolutely hilarious.

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jssf1992
Clone Trooper
posted 05-20-13 11:50 PM EDT (US)     55 / 1043       
Just read through this thread . . . Zaarin, you have narrowly avoided a rant, because I remember that you are not, in fact, my senior english teacher.

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Currently failing on the latter.
Cheapy the Hutt
Clone Trooper
posted 05-21-13 00:24 AM EDT (US)     56 / 1043       
Well, sure, that's a given. But Cray, Moff, and I all stated we'd stopped thinking highly of him after reading good books--and you asserted that his works are good. So yes, in the realm of Star Wars...um, "literature" for a lack of better term, yes, he's good. But compare him with non-SW authors and his perceived quality plummets drastically. I stopped reading Star Wars after being disappointed by Allegiance. :/

Right now I'm reading The Portrait of a Lady by Henry James! James isn't my absolute favorite author, but I feel there's a lot I can learn from him, so I'm reading him. Honestly, I prefer Edith Wharton, though many feel that James eclipses her. The Custom of the Country is absolutely hilarious.
When did we start comparing Star Wars to other literature instead of judging it based off its own merits? By your logic all of the original trilogy films are rubbish because Citizen Kane is so much better.

I'm not saying Zahn is ****ing Shakespeare, I'm saying I enjoyed (Most of) his Star Wars books because they're exactly what I love about Star Wars: action space opera fantasy adventure. I don't give a rat's ass about its value as a work of literature, all I'm concerned with is its entertainment value because that's all it was intended to do: entertain. It doesn't carry a message, it's not commenting on an aspect of society or the human condition, it's not meant to explore the ramifications of science fiction. It is a story about a dude with a laser sword and magic powers who beats up bad guys, and that's good enough for me.

Kindly dismount from your high horses and stop acting snooty just because I'm a fan of pulp. I have read actual literature, you know, being a creative writing student and all.

Kousoku Senkan Moffgou
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 05-21-13 08:32 AM EDT (US)     57 / 1043       
...I thought you were an engineer.
Kindly dismount from your high horses and stop acting snooty just because I'm a fan of pulp.
I like you Cheapy. I really do... but I have to say, what's the difference between Zaarin rejecting the idea that Zahn is "good" and the flak people have taken from you and FA for liking ME3? Or Into Darkness? Or magical ponies? <_<

That said... I won't speak for Zaarin, but I suppose I could've been a bit harsh. It's worth noting that I only read the complete Zahn trilogy well into my decline in enjoyment for all things SW. It created a brief bump.

Of course, then they butchered Mara and Thrawn into superbeings that make John Harrison look like an infant. Before you take Force powers into account, in Mara's case. <_<

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[This message has been edited by Moff (edited 05-21-2013 @ 08:58 AM).]

Flying Ace
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posted 05-21-13 10:24 AM EDT (US)     58 / 1043       
Wait, I only recall expressing my displeasure with ME3 not those who play it. I don't recall saying much about Into Darkenss other than making it obvious I'm no fan of Star Trek. However, the magical pony thing...guilty as charged

And Cheapy...I don't recall this side of you before I left. Is everything alright?

What was YOUR ME3 ending: Merge with Helios, Illuminati, or Tracer Tong?
"I feel like I just watched Dwayne Johnson beat a small disabled child. Except the disabled child is really an infant clone of Hitler. It's so painful to watch...but so glorious." - Cheapy
"The Rebels only have one rank: traitor." - Eothain

[This message has been edited by Flying Ace (edited 05-21-2013 @ 10:26 AM).]

Kousoku Senkan Moffgou
Moff
(id: Moff Yittreas)
posted 05-21-13 10:25 AM EDT (US)     59 / 1043       
You were just meant to go with the ME3... and the pretty ponies.

CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG AND HATE THE PT?

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Flying Ace
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(id: Lord Vader672)
posted 05-21-13 10:29 AM EDT (US)     60 / 1043       
OF COURSE WE CAN HATE THE PT! THAT GOES WITHOUT SAYING! (still love the part where Hayden gets owned though)

But I shall NEVER become a brony. NEVER! And if you intend to force it upon me...You'll have to catch me first.




What was YOUR ME3 ending: Merge with Helios, Illuminati, or Tracer Tong?
"I feel like I just watched Dwayne Johnson beat a small disabled child. Except the disabled child is really an infant clone of Hitler. It's so painful to watch...but so glorious." - Cheapy
"The Rebels only have one rank: traitor." - Eothain
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