Okay...I can take a hint.

I was gone for awhile, but despite that you obviously don't want me around because not one of you appears to be interested in discussing the very interesting topic that I brought up between a first reunion for Ahsoka and Anakin (Darth Vader) and how it will play out.

So, I may or may not return ever and if I do I will only reply to the person that responds to the subject matter that I brought up about the first reunion of the said characters or a direct comment made to me.

Adios!

Oh, Shifter... you knew what you were getting into, and declaring disagreement on a point equals hate is silly Tumblr nonsense.

We don't care for Ahsoka. You know that, we know that. You like Ahsoka. You know that, we know that. You're more excited to see her than we are. That's all there is to it.

Besides, the important question is, "How will Tarkin avenge himself upon the heroes?"

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Quoted from Moff:

Oh, Shifter... you knew what you were getting into, and declaring disagreement on a point equals hate is silly Tumblr nonsense.

Okay...maybe I went too far in saying that you all hate me due to not wanting to discuss the topic.

Quoted from Moff:

We don't care for Ahsoka. You know that, we know that. You like Ahsoka. You know that, we know that. You're more excited to see her than we are. That's all there is to it.

Besides, the important question is, "How will Tarkin avenge himself upon the heroes?"

Moff, it's not about me liking Ahsoka and you and others disliking Ahsoka. It's about her being a character in the show regardless about how anyone feels about her and how her character interacts and affects the other characters in the show...you can't ignore a character simply because you don't like him or her. Their very presence in the show affects the lives of the characters around them...including the ones you and others like.

That is why I asked the question in the first place.

You and everyone else can't deny the fact that what I stated above is the truth because it is.


P.S.

And for the record I haven't even been watching the show, but now that Ahsoka is in it I will likely start doing so when the second season begins.

Also for the record...Ahsoka should be considered to be a fairly new (character) Ahsoka in regards to her character being much older and not knowing what has transpired since the last time we saw her in The Clone Wars.

You may come to actually like this new Ahsoka...she's technically fresh out of the box.

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you can't ignore a character simply because you don't like him or her.

Actually, you can. I've watched seasons 1-6 of TNG mostly pretending Deanna doesn't exist (except in episodes like "Face of the Enemy" where you can't--but that was actually a really good episode).

Also for the record...Ahsoka should be considered to be a fairly new (character) Ahsoka in regards to her character being much older and not knowing what has transpired since the last time we saw her in The Clone Wars.

You may come to actually like this new Ahsoka...she's technically fresh out of the box.

People change, but they're also shaped by their past. The only way older Ahsoka is a new character is if the writers are really bad at their job. Which, given Star Wars, is a distinct possibility.

But I haven't watched any of the animated shows since season 3 of TCW.

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People change, but they're also shaped by their past. The only way older Ahsoka is a new character is if the writers are really bad at their job. Which, given Star Wars, is a distinct possibility.

When you change you are new.

In fact in most circumstances you have to get over your past in order to change.

[This message has been edited by Shifter (edited 03-29-2015 @ 12:58 PM).]

Actually, if anything, she seems to have reverted. Cast out of the Jedi Order... but now carrying lightsabers again and Jedi-ish apparel. So, actually... she's not new at all, and they ground off the patina of character development she gained at the end of Season 5.

When you change you are new.

Hardly. We are more than the sum of our experience, but we are nevertheless the sum of our experience.

Actually, if anything, she seems to have reverted. Cast out of the Jedi Order... but now carrying lightsabers again and Jedi-ish apparel. So, actually... she's not new at all, and they ground off the patina of character development she gained at the end of Season 5.

Not terribly surprising. Jedi--especially lightsabers--sell toys.

Perhaps so... but now you have Kanan, Ahsoka, and Ezra on one side... Sabine, Zeb, Hera, and Chopper on the other. Fully half of the organic cast is Jedi. This show works because it shows a small group, hopelessly outmatched, and only able to kick soft spots on a backwater no one cares about.

More Jedi is going to mean more escalation, plus less dramatic tension. The Inquisitor was a great villain because he outmatched Kanan handily. Even Kallus was an even match for the team before they started really using the Force to save their butts (recall how he utterly dominated Zeb in hand-to-hand... with Zeb's own weapon). Introducing Vader is great nostalgia appeal... and dramatic poison.

Vader cannot die. So, either Vader's activity is very brief and a crushing blow, which could make it seem like a cheap publicity stunt. Or... he gets the Grievous treatment and ends up being narratively neutered, being defeated and embarrassed time and time again. And throwing up a sacrificial redshirt in each encounter does not alleviate this, and could actually be even dumber. There's a slim chance--and more than I ever would have given TCW--that this can be handled well without hitting either side. But it is slim.

Then there's Ahsoka. She's a favorite of Filoni. I personally am not keen on her being a founding member of the Rebellion; it's too wanky. A spy, an information trader... perhaps. But Bail Organa's right hand woman? Or perhaps even he is her hand? No. It's insulting to the Senator's character and the story. She's a clear foil to Vader, and obviously there's to be some kind of confrontation that will spark things in Vader... and eventually, we must answer the question of "Where is Ahsoka Tano during the events of the films?" And the likely answer is apt to be "dead."

Of course, let us not forget (because Shifter certainly won't ) that Ventress is also roaming around (unless she's done away with off-screen), and Maul. I sincerely hope they don't do that silliness... but it's possible.

I think I'd rather Ventress return than Ahsoka. Maul should've been left dead in the first place...

Unfortunately, in the TCW comics--which are part of the new canon--Maul escapes imprisonment by Palpatine, shenanigans happen that also rope in Grievous, Dooku, and Talzin... and Talzin is killed by Ol' Asthmabot 9000. Killed for real, too, as opposed to getting... evaporated by Mace Windu.

Oh, and she turned to stone when she died. Because... shut up and buy our toys.

So, anyway, Talzin's death helps Maul escape and Palpy shrugs his shoulders and says, "Meh, no biggie." So yeah, he's still floating out there. But, at least there's no more Talzin.

Because... shut up and buy our toys.

It's amazing how this is more the fundamental underlying design philosophy of TCW than it is in a show that was based on a line of toys.

In the case of the clones, it's at least forgivable because Fett presumably had some role in their education. Less so for Boba. <_<

I shall now unleash some knowledge from the Republic Commando series... I have no idea how canonical it is anymore.

Jango personally trained the Alpha class ARC troopers (I think there were 100 of them?) so I suppose they would have had his accent. He brought in a lot of other Mandalorians as trainers - now I don't think any actual Mandalorion accent has been established, but I think Fett is the only one so far who's been from New Zealand. Even if it was that most Mandalorions have that accent, the specialists that Fett brought in specifically trained the commandos and special units. The majority of the troops weren't trained by them directly. In fact, I'm not sure who they were trained by, but a number of Mandalorian words and pieces of culture filtered down the ranks; probably not an accent though.

Okay. Continue.

Except that requires Karen Traviss Mandofetishing. Meaning I'm going to sing Pony songs at you when you need a rezz. >_>

It is pretty bad in that regard. Lots of Mando love. But that's beside the point, Moff!

That broad killed Mandos for me...

Quoted from Moff:

Actually, if anything, she seems to have reverted. Cast out of the Jedi Order... but now carrying lightsabers again and Jedi-ish apparel. So, actually... she's not new at all, and they ground off the patina of character development she gained at the end of Season 5.

Isn't it a little too soon to make that kind of judgment on this older version of Ashoka, Moff?

Just because Ahsoka left the jedi order doesn't mean she has to give up the knowledge she has of the force and etc.

It's obvious that Ahsoka didn't allow her skills in the force to fade away despite leaving the jedi order.

That's a good thing to not do.

Quoted from Zaarin:

I think I'd rather Ventress return than Ahsoka. Maul should've been left dead in the first place...

There's suppose to be a graphic novel about Ventress coming out this summer...I just hope she doesn't get killed off in it.

I would love the graphic novel story to actually lead her character to be put in suspension so that we can see her in one of the upcoming movies.

There would then be no need for a backstory to cover what she was doing between the graphic novel and the movie she appears in because she would be sleeping in suspension all that time.

It's obvious that Ahsoka didn't allow her skills in the force to fade away despite leaving the jedi order.

Isn't it a little too soon to make that kind of judgment on this older version of Ahsoka, Shifter?

Quoted from Moff:

Isn't it a little too soon to make that kind of judgment on this older version of Ahsoka, Shifter?

Hey! You're the one that pointed the things out in the first place that lead to my previous comment, Moff.


Don't start nothing, won't be nothing.

I would love the graphic novel story to actually lead her character to be put in suspension so that we can see her in one of the upcoming movies.

Only if she's killed off in the first five minutes for the Worf Effect.

Only if she's killed off in the first five minutes

Still too long.

The problem is they won't wrap up her story. So, we still kinda have to reach the point where it's Palpatine, Vader, Yoda, Obi-Wan, and some kid on Arrakis--errr ON TATOOINE I MEAN...

Although, I wonder if Rebels is implying there's only a single Inquisitor... probably not; they just don't give names. Unlike in the EU when they were... kinda boastful douches.

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Yeah, I think that for the small group of people that had contact with the Inquisitor in Rebels he was the Inquisitor because he was the only one they knew of. I don't know though, not very familiar with the time period.

I think the sources have been pretty inconsistent about how public the Imperial Inquisition was.

Quoted from Zaarin:

Only if she's killed off in the first five minutes for the Worf Effect.

Quoted from Flying Ace:

Still too long.

What?! There's no love for Ventress' character either in here?


I don't understand why anyone in here even bothered to watch The Clone Wars when you hated the characters in it so much.

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Well, at least in my case, it was considered an utter waste of time.

What?! There's no love for Ventress' character either in here?

Actually, I liked Ventress, but she has no place in a film set half a century later.

I don't understand why anyone in herte even bothered to watch The Clone Wars when you hated the characters in it so much.

I stopped watching at season 3 because I was tired of the show's hackneyed cliches, but I will say that at the moment I stopped watching Ahsoka had become slightly less worthy of being chopped into tiny pieces. I think the moment I threw my hands up and walked away was when "Savage Opress" (that name--really?) became momentarily a villain who might have some motive for being a villain without being "Mwahahaha! Evil'n'Stuff"--and then turned "Mwahahaha! Evil'n'Stuff" on us anyway.

The movie had a villain named Whorm Loathsom. He's the Scottish alien guy.

Kallus is... slightly better, but could still almost be a name. And is made up for by the fact that he's an actually effective villain that tends to challenge the heroes.

The movie had a villain named Whorm Loathsom. He's the Scottish alien guy.

Yeah, I remember him. And "Grievous" has one of those names too.

Kallus is... slightly better, but could still almost be a name.

Because of the spelling and the fact that I haven't watched the show (and hence heard his name spoken), I don't immediately associate "Kallus" with "callous." And it's still not as bad as "Savage Opress."

And is made up for by the fact that he's an actually effective villain that tends to challenge the heroes.

Then he's a better villain than anyone in TCW.

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Oh, far and away.

Quoted from Zaarin:

Actually, I liked Ventress, but she has no place in a film set half a century later.

Why do you say that?

If her story lead to her getting put into suspension she could easily be put into the films, and if she ended up in the films there would indeed be a place for her in them if the story called for it...and I think any character has the potential to be used in the storyline of these future films.


P.S.


What's up with the background on the site with the flashing firework crap and pink background...I don't like it.

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