Also, this should go without saying... but be civil, folks. No argumentum ad hominen, don't call each other Nazis or Commies (unless they actually identify as that), fascists, or anything like that. Just because the world is going mad doesn't mean we need to.

If you can't abide by that, I ask you politely as a friend and fellow forummer not to engage.

Name me something that hasn't been dragged into politics now (no I will not accept anime schoolgirls). For one side OR the other.

Well, to be fair... the last right-wing film with sci-fi elements was, um, Left Behind?

Really? That's what Star Wars is now? No longer the fun, space adventure for all ages and a modern spin on old mythical tropes?

I hate to break it to you, but you seem to have missed the fact that Star Wars has always been political. Most of us didn't notice because we were kids watching it for the first time in the 90s, but in hindsight it's pretty obvious that the OT is diving right in with a bunch of thinly-veiled Cold War-era political references.

Thinly-veiled yes. But also intertwined with a decent enough story.

This tosses the veil out the window and instead goes right for beating you over the head with it. They've also thrown out the part about a decent story too.

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Aside from George declaring that the cute cuddly lovable Ewoks are the Vietcong and the evil Empire based heavily on the Nazis are actually the US military only a few years after the fall of South Vietnam... what Cold War politics are there in the OT?

I'm afraid I'm not seeing politics in the OT any deeper than "Nazis BAD, democracy GOOD," a message that's as American as it is simplistic. The PT had thinly veiled political commentary about the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, sure, but as FA points out these days they're just leaving out the veil.

And now Chuck Wendig has been fired. Ostensibly, by Marvel and not LFL. But he's off the Vader comics.

"The cold is like a wendigo, not a real feel like a rapture..."

Doubt LFL would fire him. Unless Disney itself steps in.

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Darth Owo.

KILL IT WITH FIRE!

...Who is Darth Malgus? Also I think I'd take the cat more seriously than Darth Mauled.

Malgus is Not Vader from the TOR teaser video. When they storm the Jedi Temple.

He was in another video, on Alderaan. JediShep duels him.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Malgus

You watch your mouth, Jamie Glover is a gift!

And son of the Empire's best general

Ah, yes, I remember those trailers now. I'd object and say he's not-Malak, but, well, Malak was himself not-Vader. Not-Vader in red pajamas. >_>

For a good game, Malak was rather boring

I liked Malgus more. Shame not much was done with him. He was just the 1st gen elder game antagonist.

Yeah, Malak was extremely bland, and Bandon was worse. TSL's villains (well, except Nihilus) were much more interesting.

Because I despise this fake-ass "news" site (WeGotThisCovered)... I'll give them the click so you don't have to.

Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order Fans Not Happy That The Protagonist Is A White Guy

Fans eagerly anticipating the first proper reveal of Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order got their wish at Star Wars Celebration last weekend. Developed by Titanfall and Apex Legends creator Respawn Entertainment, this particular adventure set in a Galaxy Far, Far Away is a strictly single-player affair set shortly after the events of Star Wars: Episode III – Revenge of the Sith. Given its story-heavy nature, Respawn has opted not to allow character creation in Fallen Order, preferring instead, to use a predefined backstory and appearance.

Portrayed by actor Cameron Monaghan (Gotham, Shameless), players take on the role of Cal Kestis, a Padawan Jedi in hiding following Emperor Palpatine’s execution of Order 66. As events unfold, Cal will ultimately be forced to flee the planet of Bracca while being pursued by Inquisitors – Force-sensitive elite soldiers loyal to the Empire. Beyond that brief backstory, little else is known about Cal, his life or his personality.

The lack of details on that front, combined with the character being a white male, has prompted many fans on Twitter to criticize Cal’s final design as being little more than a ‘generic video game white guy,’ and below you’ll find just a sampling of what folks are saying.

Quoted from Twitter:

Missed the JEDI: FALLEN ORDER panel for STAR WARS REBELS, so I only just now saw the trailer. Looks neat. I’m excited for a true-blue single player only game. Kinda disappointing that player character is a generic video game white guy.

Quoted from Twitter:

Just saw jedi fallen order trailer.

Bummer.

I'm tired of seeing white guys being the main character.

Its just everywhere.

Plus i still hate EA.

Still a "no" from me

Quoted from Twitter:

Pretty disappointing that that Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order had all those aliens to chose from and they went with...a generic white guy

Quoted from Twitter:

Star Wars is for everyone. Its a magical world where literally anything can happen and inhabited by diverse and unique aliens and people.
Jedi Fallen Order: Here play as this non descript white guy and only him. No customization.

Quoted from Twitter:

Jedi Fallen Order looks interesting. But a generic white guy protagonist? Really? Seems awfully bland. We have plenty of those already.

With a huge emphasis being placed on promoting ethnic diversity in all forms of entertainment in recent years, it’s to be expected that not everyone would be thrilled at Respawn’s choice, but in this case, it feels as if fans are jumping the gun much too soon. As a franchise, Star Wars has come leaps and bounds with its casting diversity with the Sequel Trilogy and even with Star Wars Battlefront II‘s trend-bucking campaign.

Should Fallen Order release to a wave of negative press concerning a non-diverse cast (the alternative of which appears to be true, judged on the official trailer alone), then that’s a different story. For now, though, it’s probably best to wait until the bigger picture is realized.

Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order is out November 15th for Xbox One, PlayStation 4 and PC.

I do find it interesting that we went from, "All Star Wars fans are white racist neckbeareded incels who live in their parents' basement and masturbate to Slave Leia hentai" to "Star Wars fans are enlightened and progressive people who are SICK OF WHITE DUDES BEING THE ONLY HEROES." But... well, let's take a look at our Star Wars game heroes. Neglecting film adaptation games (where you play [at least primarily] as Luke, Han, Leia, Anakin, or Obi-Wan)...

X-Wing - White Guy
Rebel Assault - Faceless Rebel pilot with selectable gender, fully voiced male and female options. Retconned hard to white male.
TIE Fighter - Ambiguously brown, maybe just tanned, swarthy white. Made super-white in Galaxies, but modeling issues make that potentially dubious. Some later depictions show him as dark-skinned.
Dark Forces - White guy
Rebel Assault II - White dude
Shadows of the Empire - White guy
Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II - White guy
Jedi Knight: Mysteries of the Sith - White Lady
X-Wing Alliance - Ambiguously LIGHT brownish; slightly tan white based on siblings?
Battle for Naboo - White Guy
Force Commander - White Guy
Starfighter - White Guy
Bounty Hunter - Maori Guy! (Film character)
Jedi Knight II - Jedi Outcast - White Guy... bonus points in that you have to save your Asian lady love interest. Again.
Jedi Starfighter - Black lady who may or may not be an alien (Film character; alienness retconned in by George)
Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy - Multispecies pick between male and female options. Canon spinoff book established white guy as The One True Jaden. Or, one of them because they made him some Jedi soldier clone project thing. Thank God the EU was taken out behind the shed and shot.
KotOR - Male or female human. Canonized as pure-as-driven-snow lightside white male Jedi
KotOR2 - Male of female human. Canonized as pure-as-driven-snow lightside white female Jedi.
Battlefront II - Narrator is Maori guy from movies. Character identity can shift over the course of the campaign. (clone of film character)
Republic Commando - Maori Guy (clone of film character)
Empire at War: Forces of Corruption - White guy.
Lethal Alliance - Orange Twi'lek. For Nintendo DS and PSP only.
The Force Unleashed - White guy
The Force Unleashed II - Previous white guy's white guy clone

Now, I left off games where you have no character like SWGB and Battlefront 1, and the MMOs. MMOs because, well, they usually had a robust enough character creator to allow for the player to pick their gender, species, and skin tone. Of course, these are just anonymous nobodies that no one gives a shit about in terms of narrative. Battlefront 1 has no coherent single-player storyline, and has no actual player character. The latter point applies to BF2 as well.

Now, if we see EA Star Wars:
Battlefront 1 - Same issue as classic Battlefront 1.
Battlefront 2 - Light-brown female. Could be tanned white, or pale minority. Probably the latter with a dollop of the "but not too dark" trope ladled on top.

And... uh... uh... oh right that's the only non-mobile games EA made! So yeah, SW characters have by and large been white dudes... even when the player COULD customize them, the talking heads declared them to be white dudes or, in ONE CASE (KotOR2), a white lady. And I do recall a good amount of pressure on them for that.

Of course, they also said the canonical female Exile picked up the male-exclusive companion, meaning you cannot actually have a canon playthrough without mods. Because LFL hated KotOR2 for daring to question orthodoxy.

I do think just having a character creator would solve this issue, and then DON'T. FRIGGING. MAKE. A. CANON. DESCRIPTION. Unless this character is intended to appear in other works (which, well, let's face it... who knows how much steam SW has left in it), there is no need to nail down that this character is a white, blond male. I realize in Star Wars that's supposed to be the immediate sign that the character is a beacon of virtue, but maybe it is time to move along a little.


...No, further still, Kathy. Not stopping at, "White English brunette lady."

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Starfighter has a caveat in that there are three playable main characters; one's a black woman, the other's an alien.

Main character is Dallows as I remember.